This is a transcript. For the video, see 20 years of Drupal - An interview with Michael Meyers.

Lynette Miles: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to a mini edition of Tag1 Team Talks, the blog and podcasts from Tag1 Consulting. I’m Lynette Miles, the Principal Technical Writer at Tag1, and today we are looking back at 20 years of Drupal. A lot of our Tag1 team members have been around for a very long time, Some of them from the very beginning. Today instead of being the interviewer, I get to have joy to be joined by Michael Meyers, the Managing Director at tag one. Um, gosh, were you at DrupalCon Brussels? Cause that would have been the first one I was at.

[00:00:37] Michael Meyers: Yeah. I mean, I've been to every DrupalCon except for the first one. Uh, actually, no, that's true. I missed Australia and I missed India. Um, yeah, the two, I would have loved to have gone to more than any others, Australia is such a great location, but yeah, we've known each other for a really long time when it,

[00:01:05] Lynette Miles: It always cracks me up when people are like, but Drupal can't, it can't be that old. I'm like, my kid is 13. My older kid is 13. That's how long I've been in the community. She's 13. So, um, yeah. So we have pho would, you know, talk about some of the stuff that you have done since you've asked everybody else?

[00:01:28] Michael Meyers: Sure. Um, so I, um, Oh, gosh, I've been in the Drupal community for almost 17 years, years now. Oh my God. We're such young kids when we, when we, when we started this, um, I, um, my background is in, is in startups and I had been part of, uh, some. You know, startup companies has been fortunate to be part of a very successful startup companies and, um, thought, wow, this is amazing.

[00:01:58] I want to do this. And, uh, I had been searching for an idea and camera phones were coming from Japan to the U S and I was thinking, wow, what a cool technology. Maybe I could do a business around this, and hit on the idea of citizen journalism, the idea that, you know, uh, you know, breaking news happens from the scene of the event, you know, and if you had a camera phone, we could disintermediate CNN, you know, we could create the next global media company, if we could empower people to report on the news, live from the scene of events.

And so I went to, um, folks, you know, the had run, the startups that I worked at that have been very successful and I said, Hey, would you invest in me? To get this startup off the ground.

And they said, absolutely not. You know, we'd love to, but you know, you don't have any users. You don't have a website. Like, are you crazy? Like, why would we give you money? Uh, and everybody, I talked to, even the people I knew said that. And so I went and I said, how do I build a website quickly? And, uh, I. Yeah.

[00:03:05] Lynette Miles: Is it, is it wrong that my immediate thought was “you need a website” and I'll have flashbacks to like, Jeff, singing the Drupal song at like Barcelona or something.

In case you didn't feel old already. I should put that. If we put the proposal, we should put that in the links. I should see if I can find a video for that.

[00:03:38] Michael Meyers: So this startup was called and co-founder of this guy, Michael tip. And he was based out of Vancouver. We'd worked together, uh, at afternoon in New York city. You moved back to Vancouver.

Uh, and I went out there and we were brainstorming. Okay, how do we get this off the ground quickly? Um, and Boris Mann, uh, lived in Vancouver and Boris started Bright, which was the first ever Drupal consulting company. And he was ridiculously generous. We sat down and, uh, he, you know, we had coffee downtown Vancouver, and he was like, Hey man, you gotta, you gotta hear about this thing Drupal and check it out.

And you know, um, I was sold, you know, I was looking at a lot of other frameworks at the time, you know, I knew I didn't want to like, write this from scratch. Yeah. Yeah. Even 17 years ago, we knew we didn't want to be writing things from scratch and or solely on Drupal. And, uh, that night I picked it up and started tinkering and, um, you know, the modular nature we glued together, a prototype even was able to incorporate some camera phone stuff by extending a module.

And I went back to all of these investors I talked about and they were flabbergasted because remember this was 17 years ago. Um, you know, we, we launched a site with a tremendous amount of functionality in a really short period of time. And they said here's 1.7 million. Um, and so, you know, that was, you know, I credit Drupal with, you know, a lot of the success of our company from day one in helping us get it off the ground.

You know, to all the amazing people that we got to work with. Um, you know, and, and just fortunate from a timing standpoint, you know, my first ever hire was, uh, Chx, Karoly and guests who made, you know, unprecedented, you know, contributions to dribble in the community. And, just from there, the number of people that we got, the opportunity to work with that today are, you know, the superstars of Drupal and who major, but what it is.

Uh, we were just in the right place at the right time doing the right thing. Um, and it all came together nicely. I was fortunate to build Now Public into a successful startup and sold it to a major media company. Uh, their largest website, uh, was, and we relaunched on Drupal post acquisition, and grew it into a top 50 website.

So Examiner was the first top 100 website to run Drupal. Um, and through Now Public and Examiner, we made massive contributions to Drupal. Introduced memory caching systems and all, you know, all sorts of aspects to help scale Drupal to what we needed to achieve. We were really, you know, one of the first commercial companies to build on Drupal.

You know, that's one of the things I love about the early days of Drupal. And we were able to get together at Brussels, at Barcelona, at these early DrupalCons with small groups of people, you know, have thoughtful, impactful decisions that led to major changes. You know, we need a testing harness, you know?

And so, you know, as DrupalCon got bigger and bigger and Drupal became more and more commercial, DrupalCons became more about, you know, a little more of a business event and less of a technology event. And so then they created like, you know, Core days and other things where, you know, core conferences where developers got together and, you know, the community started to - fracture isn't the right word. Uh, but sort of divide and conquer,

[00:07:17] Lynette Miles: differentiate into the, uh, areas of interest. I don't want to say silos either, because I mean, a lot of those people, a lot of folks crossover from “today, I'm going to go do this thing, but tomorrow I'm going to go do that thing there”. You know? I mean, you have some of those very hardcore. “I'm going to go to developer stuff because that's what I do.” But there's a lot of folks who crossover between. I mean like people like the technical writers, people who are documentation folks, they're like, okay, I wonder what the developers are doing, but I also need to know how to meet the needs of the businesses.

So I know that's a lot of. Yeah.

[00:07:54] Michael Meyers: Um, and then by the time, uh, DrupalCon San Francisco came around, you know, I would like wave to people and all that was like, your entire conference was like, you know, who's changed dramatically from the early days. So that's the growth. Uh, the platform, you know, it's wonderful that Drupal’s become what it is, but I think those are some of the things that you struggle with, you know, having been part of it for such a period of time, um, you know, dealing with those, with those growth pains.

[00:08:26] Lynette Miles: Yeah. It's that's true. I remember a lot of those in my last year of DrupalCon was Denver in 2012. I had to have been 2012. Cause Reuben was just over a year old at Denver. And, um, you know, I remember a lot of that though. Just like, Oh yeah, yeah. You get lucky and be able to manage, to hook up with folks for dinner or something like that. But yeah, there are just so many people and so much going on.

[00:09:00] Michael Meyers: Denver is when I joined Acquia or rightly thereafter, um, or Examiner was based in Denver. And I helped with, you know, a lot of folks, my team have organized DrupalCon Denver.

Um, but as part of launching Examiner on Drupal, we were the first Drupal seven site to launch or one of the first, anyway, you know, we launched the top 100 website on Drupal, six months before the release of the platform we help create. You know, over 33% of the platform, um, you know, it was this amazing engine, you know, we had Catch in Japan, who's now the DA, you know, framework manager and release manager.

Like our team would work all day, Catch would work overnight, incorporate all, you know, as sort of like the committer. Um, so we had this really wonderful engine with so many people, Moshe Weitzman on a migration with Mike Ryan. Um, You know, it's funny too. All of these things I worked with, the Tag one team - Tag1 helped me get NowPublic up and running and scale.

They helped me get Examiner architected, design up and running and scale. And all the people that we work with today, yourself included. Um, you know, I, I got to know over this timeframe and that's why I'm at Tag1 is because, you know, it was such an amazing group of people that I got to work with, that all came together around this one group.

Um, But come DrupalCon Denver. Um, you know, I, I had just left Examiner maybe like a year before and was taking some time off and Dries and I had met in New York city just to have coffee and catch up. And, you know, we were talking about, um, you know, the tragedy of the commons, you know, the idea that, you know, order for Drupal and open source in general to, uh, continue to, to grow and Excel at, you know, at the pace we needed to, we need to get more -

All of these companies that are using Drupal to participate in Drupal, whether that's financially or from a resource standpoint, you know, most people just download and use Drupal and they don't really get engaged with the community, but we can change that. It would revolutionize Drupal, you know, it would give us, you know, the, the, the resources to do things that would otherwise never be possible.

Uh, and so. We, uh, we were chatting a lot about it and he, and he said, you know, why don't you come to Acquia and help us solve this? You know, uh, how do we get, how do we grow Drupal by an order of magnitude? How do we, how do we get these companies engaged, involved? And I said, that's crazy. I don't know.

I don't know if that's possible. And he said, I don't know if it's possible either. I was like, great. Let's do it.

You know? No, I, I think, you know, I won, it was an opportunity to work with Dries who I admire, uh, too. It was, you know, it was a really gnarly problem, you know, I liked the fact that it, it, there wasn't a solution. Um, I liked the fact that there may, you know, that, that we had to come up with a solution and that there may not be one.

Um, I also didn't like those things, but I like, but I liked them. Um, and it was a Sisyphean task for sure. And we made some inroads, uh, and I'm really proud of that. Um, and then spent, you know, five years at Acquia working for Dries and did their developer relations, developer, marketing, et cetera. So.

[00:12:30] Lynette Miles: I've heard you talk you're, you're a, you're an evangelist with not so much of the BS that some of them have.

[00:12:45] Michael Meyers: Do you see the halo back here? The glowing I'll shift back into the light. It's my aura. It's not the light.

[00:13:01] Lynette Miles: Okay, well then, then what is, what is the favorite thing that you've ever done or work done wow. Or dealt with? Like, what is your favorite? What is, what is the favorite thing that you've ever like anything - feature, whatever. I mean, like, for me, like my favorite thing is a lot of just the people that I've worked with.

I mean, I've been, I've been lucky, you know, I've got that guy, what's his face back there, you know?

You know, he's only the guy that wrote Views and stuff, you know.

[00:13:36] Michael Meyers: “my husband, you know, that guy that wrote views.”

[00:13:46] Lynette Miles: No, I used to get that cause, cause he was Merlinofchaos. Right? And so I was, I had esmerelofchaos, which is my username on IRC and people would be like, What does Merlin think about that? I'm like, he doesn't care. Why would he care?

Yeah. I don't know. We've been together. You know, we've been, we've been together since 1999. I think he's okay with it, whatever point it was. Cool.

[00:14:19] Michael Meyers: Um, my name is MichaeleMeyers. Very creative.

So what's your name everywhere. This is kind of weird. And I think I was just the catalyst for this. I wasn't, you know, um, I think I'm most proud of the automated QA testing harness, and this may be a weird thing to say, but, you know, I'm, I'm just, I'm proud of how it came about, you know, um, I'm trying to remember which DrupalCon it was.

Uh, I can picture us, um, you know, uh, Jeff from Lullabot and Matt and, Kieran, like I got a bunch of, um, you know, of the leading agency partners together. And I was like, man, you know, like Drupal doesn't have any tests. This is crazy, you know? Um, and it's time people. Um, and I was like, you know, we, you know, uh, you know, typical me, I was like, we need to make this happen.

Like this has to be a thing, like a fiat, like, we're going to say, you know, there must be justice in court and they're like, I don't think that's going to fly. I don't think

[00:15:33] Lynette Miles: they're really, really, really should be tested in court.

[00:15:36] Michael Meyers: [00:15:36] Okay. That's fair. Um, but as like, if we all committed right here and now that our resources we're going to contribute tests to core, then it would happen and they were super cool about it.

They're like, okay, that's, you know, that's great. Um, you know, we'll, we'll make a huge concerted effort to, to contribute tasks. And that really got the ball rolling. You know, all of our resources started submitting tasks. Then it went from like an idea to like the community doing it. You know, then we started, you know, uh, coming up with ways to do the, you know, what's going to run these tests and come up with the standards around that.

Um, you know, and today, you know, the hardest, you know, every time you make a commit to Drupal core, you need to have a test and it's run through a large battery of automated tests on a lot of different platforms and configurations. Um, the, uh, the QA system for just Drupal core does something like 10 concurrent years of testing in a year.

Uh, to, to keep up with the number of commits. So in a single year, over 10 years of tests are run, um, pretty wild, you know, and, and it was, it's the power of setting something in motion and helping, you know, to make these things happen. Um, I learned so much from that experience, which is why I'm so proud of it.

It's what helped me do so many other things later on like getting Drupal seven out the door, which is a much bigger feat, but that never would have happened. Had, you know, had that, you know, lessons learned about, you know, introducing, uh, a critical feature into the community in a way that it becomes a standard.

Uh, and, and that led to the enterprise adoption of Drupal in many ways, not in and of itself. But without that, you know, enterprises wouldn't have adopted Drupal if there wasn't a testing harness there, you know? So that was one of the, you know, the pillars of, you know, the growth and success of seven. And so that end to end lesson taught me so much.

[00:17:42] Lynette Miles: I mean, it's, you know, companies for whatever reason want tests, don't like their stuff to crash. Just what. Wow. That was in Drupal 7. That would have, I can't even count that high. That would have been like before 2010.

[00:18:06] Michael Meyers: Right. I don't know if some of it happened in six, but it came to like seven is when testing was standard. I think six is when we introduced seven is when we formalized it.

[00:18:19] Lynette Miles: [00:18:19] So yeah, that have been like Boston or DC maybe earlier.

[00:18:30] Michael Meyers: We were in Europe. I remember that wasn't in Barcelona

[00:18:38] Lynette Miles: I'm like, those are the ones I remember. Cause that's like, I didn't get to go to many of the European ones after that.

[00:18:53] You said it, not me. Just, just so that's why I don't remember.

[00:19:04] Oh, that is for sure. All right. So for you, what has been the best thing about being part of Drupal?

[00:19:14] Because you already use that

[00:19:16] Michael Meyers: [00:19:16] without a doubt, the best part has been testing. It's all about testing. I'm crazy, but it's the people. And I think a lot of, I think a lot of people say this, but it's, it's, it's the people, you know, like, um, Drupal in many ways has made me who I am. You know, um, I have friends all over the world. I feel connected to the world in a way that I never did before Drupal. Um, I remember being, uh, at Drupal con in Chicago and the, uh, you know, the Asian tsunami hit Japan.

And, uh, Nathaniel Catchpolel. I think at that time we weren't even working together anymore. You know, I had just gone upstairs to my room to do something. And I had seen him down on the couch in the lobby and I like turned around. Like I, you know, I, I maybe I went upstairs to like go to the bathroom or something.

And like, I just like turned right around and ran back downstairs. It was like, Holy, like Catch, you know, like, you know, have you heard the news? Um, Five years before that I went like, yeah, a tsunami in Asia, you know, like,

[00:20:29] Lynette Miles: Was it DrupalCon San Francisco or Denver? I can't remember the - volcano in Iceland. I remember that.

Cause all like, like Adrian, I think was going in, a bunch of like the Europeans ended up not being able to make it because they couldn't fly over and all of us going crap, that's this talk and this talk and. Well, okay, well shuffle. Okay. Nobody actually had to call. Okay, cool. Everybody's okay, great.

[00:20:59] Michael Meyers: Yeah. These events that otherwise would have just been headline in the newspaper that I was disconnected from. It didn't really understand. Now have weight and significance as if it happened to me. And that has given me such, you know, um, amazing perspective on the planet and, you know, and perspective on myself and how, you know, like, uh, context.

Um, and so, you know, from, from that to just these wonderful people, like Adrian, I love Adrian, you know, and, uh, doing these interviews and catching up with people, I'm like, Oh my gosh, like we've traveled to 20 something countries together just through Drupal, you know, we've hung out all over the world and had, you know, laughs and you know, like we used to do is we used to rent big houses and just get huge groups of people together and, you know, live it up and, you know, it was so much fun to, you know, I look forward to, you know, DrupalCon in Barcelona, not just for DrupalCon, not just because Barcelona is a great city, but because we, you know, had a house.

And, you know, we had, you know, a big cookout and, and you know, all these people that we're spending time with.

[00:22:13] Lynette Miles: Were you there? Did you come to the place we stayed at in Paris? I'm trying to remember. Cause we did a, we had, we stayed with, um, cause that was, Greg Knaddison's team when he was still, when he had GVS.

And so he rented an apartment. Yeah. He rented, his favorite place and uh, we shared. Earl and I, and we had Charlotte at the time. She was like a year and a half. And we had the place, the amazing place. I was like 10 of us in this, in this three-story apartment. Well, the hot tub on the roof.

And so we like sat and there was a wine shop at the corner. And so like we would sit up on the roof with our feet in the hot tub and talk about every, you know, here, we got like two of the guys over [00:23:00] here solving like this gnarly views problem. And two of us over here talking, you know, sports and we're all drinking wine.

And then it's your turn to go to the store and walk down to six flights of stairs. Um, I mean, that was awesome. Cause we had just like a ton of us and we had Earl cooked dinner for like, I don't know, 15 or 20 people. We had a bunch of people and it was just, it was awesome. Just having that big group of otherwise people we would, we would not have gotten to see.

[00:23:30] Michael Meyers: Yeah. Yeah. I've met so many wonderful, amazing people that I've learned so much from. And. Like the, the, the quality of the people in the community is amazing. Like just wonderful, good people that are, you know, caring and helpful and, you know, supportive

[00:23:54] Lynette Miles: Angie, the very helpful lioness.

[00:23:56] Michael Meyers: Yeah. I mean, you know, from day one and I, and I try and, you [00:24:00] know, I try and pay this back as much as possible.

Um, you know, during the early days of, of NowPublic, you know, when we just had, you know, friends and family money and, you know, uh, we, we really, you know, tooth and nailing it to get to that point of funding. Um, people like I'm trying to think who it was, um, Uh, a well-known Drupaler, uh, logged into our servers and was like, Hey, I can solve that for you.

Let me just, and we're like, sure, log into our production servers and fix this. Um, I trust you. And they did. And they, and they like totally, you know, pulled us out of a hole and, and saved our ass. I'm like, no, don't worry about it. I'm just happy to help. And, you know, you know, like we had chicks and all these people on our team, like we knew who this person was.

It wasn't like we were just opening our doors to strangers. Um, You know, and the same thing, uh, later on, I'm trying to remember what DrupalCon it was, but, um, we were having some server architecture stuff and, and, uh, David Strauss, who's now one of the founders of Pantheon at the time was, you know, chapter three.

Uh, no, he was four kitchens. David Strauss.

[00:25:07] Lynette Miles: [00:25:07] Yes. That sounds right.

[00:25:11] Michael Meyers: He was like, Oh, dude, I'll come over. Like we had, like, we came in like a day early or something. And like, we had everyone in the room hacking. He's like, I'll come over and help you. And I'm like for a day, like really, you know, like, and he just, I mean, and like, you know, what he can do in a day, you know, would take other people like two weeks.

[00:25:29] And like, he literally spent a very long day with us. Doing all sorts of insane shit. And, and I was like, you know, like, I like how, you know, how can I take? He's like, Oh dude, don't worry about it. This is so much fun.

[00:25:47] I sent him a slew of, uh, of, of, you know, fancy liquor to thank. And, but, um, so many people went out of their way. It's so many times over the course of my career with Drupal, you know, you [00:26:00] know, on a professional level, As well, as on a personal level, you know, and hands down, it's, it's the people, you know, it's, it's unquestionably the people that make Drupal what it is and, you know, made it, no.

[00:26:16] Lynette Miles: it reminded me of one of the, one of the, one of the, I think it was, it might've been the con with the volcano where Adrian was going to come majoring reset.

[00:26:26] And like, Adrian was one of the first people I met. I sat and chatted, uh, Uh, PlayStation portable games with Adrian, because I was like, I was not, I was like kind of very peripherally, but Earl was very busy, but like I'm doing all these new views things. Cause this was like five dot something. And of course, like I was like eight weeks pregnant.

[00:26:47] I'm laying there on one of the couches, exhausted and chatting anyway. So like, Adrian was my buddy. It was great to hold like, with him. It was cool. And then he couldn't make it to one of the later ones. And so somebody printed out a picture of Adrian's head, got a cardboard stand up and painted the picture of Adrian, Adrian, Adrian got to come.

And we, everybody was taking pictures with the standup of Adrian because everybody's like, we miss him. And we're sad. He's not here.

[00:27:22] Michael Meyers: [00:27:22] Was Adrian is quite the character of my all time favorites. Uh, total quarter for us, he wrote a 48 hours, the initial anger. Everybody was like, okay, I miss that guy.

[00:27:40] Lynette Miles: Yeah. Yeah. I still see him occasionally on, on, on social media and stuff. But yeah, I mean, cause at the time he was living in South Africa and now he's, I want to say in London, somewhere in London.

[00:27:58] Michael Meyers: Wow. I haven't seen him. Yeah. He was in New York and we got together for a little bit, but that four years ago, I thought, you know, it seemed like a few years ago, but

[00:28:10] Lynette Miles: I don't know. This last year has seemed like a dozen years. So it's really hard to keep. Quick. Wait, what year is it again? I don't remember that.

So, yeah. So, um, is there anyone you'd particularly like to think as we wrap up? I mean, I think you've thanked a lot of people. It brought up a lot of names that were helpful and stuff over the years.

[00:28:37] Michael Meyers: There's, you know, People I'd like to think explicitly. And then obviously there's, there's way too many people.

And I would like to think, um, no, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll leave it with Dries, you know? Um, I don't think he gets enough credit for, um, everything that he's done. Um, I don't thinkDrupal could be, or would be what it is without his, you know, uh, style and approach to things. Um, you know, I, uh, he is amazing to work for as a boss.

Like he's, he's, you know, the kind of person who says I have a problem, you know, good luck and God bless, you know, like he doesn't tell you what to do or how to do things. You know, he really latched, you run with things. Um, you know, he, uh, so he was a pleasure to work for. Um, he's, he's a brilliant and thoughtful guy.

He's unflappable, you know, he has these amazing characteristics that, um, you know, without his temperament, you know, and, um, I don't think that that Drupal would have been successful. Had someone else started, even if it was technically superior, you know, the, the. The, you know, the community, the people growing open source project, you know, a lot of that.

Um, isn't just the technology. And, uh, I think, you know, Dries with a deft hand, uh, has done that. Um, and then the other thing is, you know, The effort, the energy, the physical, and the mental toll that this takes on someone like, you know, trees has been running Acquia for over a decade, has been running Drupal for over 20 years.

[00:30:27] Like, you know, after eight years of my startup, I was mentally and physically exhausted and took, you know, over a year off and just like, you know, chilled out, you know, like I don't, you know, his staff. You know, and, and, you know, and, and the fact that he can maintain his eating keeled nature, you know, 20 years in, under all this stress and pressure as tuples become this commercial forest and, and balancing these things like, you know, I can just go on and on and on like, um, [00:31:00] DreeZ is such a wonderful caring person.

[00:31:05] Um, You know, I think one of the things that, that I love, I heard him say once someone asked him, like, what are you most proudest about with respect to Drupal? And I just never forgot this. He said the impact it's had on people's lives. You know, the fact that, you know, I've watched people start companies and grow from a person to a hundred people.

I've watched someone start as a consultant, making a little bit of money and, you know, in their life and their family and have a better life together. I've seen how Jubal has helped organizations meet their missions and goals. And like, it was just such an amazing, you know, it wasn't like, Oh, I made a fortune.

He, he, I mean, it's cool at all know. I don't think he cares about that, you know? And, uh, I really don't, you know, I really think, I think, you know, it came so quickly and so fluidly and I've known him for so long. I have no doubt that that was an honest and true answer and I'm, and I'm competent. He feels that way today.

And, um, I am, I'm grateful to have benefited from, you know, my, uh, Drupal journey. And well, it's done just that for me. And so I am forever grateful to him, uh, and to everybody in the community for helping me along the way. But, um, you know, huge, thank you to him in particular,

[00:32:39] **Lynette Miles:**I would have to agree that Dries is probably one of the most unflappable people I've ever seen. Really just kind of like really.

It's kind of like, no matter what you're seeing him doing, he's just, he's like, all right, that's clearly a problem. Then we can solve it. That's, you know, let's find some smart people and figure it out.

[00:33:07] Michael Meyers: [00:33:07] Yeah. I don't - like a monk really.

[00:33:16] Lynette Miles: It's like, he's got the same kind of like if you just come up and you're chatting with like a, Hey, I haven't seen you in like, you know, since the last time I was out for build week, how's it going to, huh?

There's this huge bug that needs to get fixed. And he's got the same, just kind of even keeled approach to like everything, which is awesome

[00:33:33] Michael Meyers: [00:33:33]. And he's the same old Dries. Like, you know, all this success, it never went to his head. He's not, you know, like, Again, any other person, you know, I don't think would have a dealt with the success and the fame, like all these amazing characteristics that he has as a person.

Like he's just a pleasure.

[00:33:54] Lynette Miles: All right. Anything else you'd like to add to your, your [00:34:00] 20 years of Drupal memories aside from, wow. I feel a lot older today.

[00:34:09] Michael Meyers: Now, these interviews have been so much fun. Um, you know, I hope that people do listen to this and get a sense of what it's like to be part of an open source project and how it can transform your career in life. Not to be cliche because it's true. Uh, but if no one ever sees this, it was so worthwhile because I've had so much fun over the last week, you know, catching up with people and, and remembering, you know, you know what happened in Paris and, Oh my gosh, you like, Oh, we can't talk about that.

Me, you know, so many great people and, you know, we're, we're in our, our. There's so much going on in our lives. This was a great opportunity to look back and catch up with people that I wish I had more time to spend time with and hang hangout. So] I've, I've loved every minute of these conversations has been the best part of my day for the last week.

And I'm looking forward to next week. Um, so I, I appreciate you taking time out of your day Lynette to do this with me and talk about it because it's, it's, it's a pleasure.

[00:35:15] Lynette Miles: It's a, it's a good way to start off my Friday. All right. Well then I will wrap it up by saying thank you for joining us for, uh, another Tag1 Team talk. Please, If you want to see more of these talks, they'll be posted at, the one, not the word, the number, um, like subscribe, all that good stuff and we will see you again.

[00:35:44] Michael Meyers: [00:35:44] Awesome. That was great. Thank you.